My (never complete...) TUBE TESTERS PAGE
before you read the rest....
I present here some basic information, just for the fun of it, and I hope you can use it. I get 5...10 emails per week from people with defective tubes testers, or out of calibration, or some recently bought a piece of junk on Ebay. BUT.... PLEASE do we offer no service or repair for tube testers, also no Ebay guidance if a particular tube is worth the bid price. (usually they are not). I really don't the time for this. Thanks for understanding! For questions of how to repair a broken tube tester, post it on: www.audioasylum.com
Perhaps this is the best place to advertise our calibration tube set. * * Scroll down to read about tube testers * * Perhaps you are like most tube collectors, and you have a tube tester, that works fine, and never needed any repair. However that doesn't mean it's very precise. With the soaring prices of tube testers and NOS tubes, you need to know better about the condition of the tubes you buy or sell. For this, the only good thing is testing some reference tubes on it. Suppose you find out then, your tester has some deviation, you can still decide what to do. Most older tube testers give too low readings. So If you know if your tester tends to indicate 20% too low, it is better than not knowing this! Some "weak" tubes may not have been so weak as you thought. Well, or vice versa, the testers indicates too high, so people can sell you weak tubes, and you tester says they're ok. Things like that are not worth it to save 100€ on good reference tubes. In this tube set are three NOS tubes, one supreme quality 6L6 for instruments (Page1- Page2), one Russian 6SN7 also intended for instruments, and one USA 6922 with military specification. The 6SN7 and 6922 are double triodes, so we have a total of five tube systems that are exactly measured, on three different tube testers, in different ways. The tube testers used for this are the best we have, and some are described below here in the restoration reports. The results we measure should repeat on any good tube tester of the same kind. For instance if the 6L6 you get, has a transconductance of 5700 on a Hickok, then your Hickok must indicate between 5400 and 6000, or else it needs a technician. Also in the case your tester reads 5400 "only" you know now, it tends to indicate lower than normal, and you can work with that. Next option is to send in our 6L6 reference tube to your technician to calibrate your Hickok such that it indicates 5700 with just that tube. In case you think these situations apply for you, this tube set it just what you need. A simulator for various kind of leakage belongs to this tube set. This is nothing but a tube base with known resistors inside. Your tube tester must identify this correctly as "leaky" tubes. The values are chosen such that the neon lamp of your tester will shown three conditions: "just on", "burn normal" and "burn very bright". On tube testers with a needle scale, you can read the value directly. The leakage with the high value resistor (270.000Ohms) must indicate the beginning of an error with all testers. So with Hickok the neon lamp must burn, but very faint. With Funke, it must be in the beginning of the error scale. The cathode low value leakage (2700 Ohms) must indicate a full error on all tube testers, so the lamp must burn very bright, and a needle scale must give maximum reading. Also a plate to grid leakage test is possible with this adapter. (more information about this product here) Remember leakage is the #1 cause of tube hum for tubes that test "good" at all other tests. l On the certificate that come with the tubes, is some more information. ---> Also you should click here if you want to calibrate your tube tester <--- * * Scroll down to read about tube testers! * * |
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| Thank you for visiting this page! When you are here, you probably are interested in tube testers in some kind of a way. Same as me! I remember I threw away a shoe box full of used ECC81, many good brands, using a defective tester (must be 15 years ago) and they tested all in the "?" range. I didn't have the slightest idea about tube testers, and I thought an old tube testes is as accurate as an old multimeter. Later I learned the old tester was indicating too low value for all tubes, and probably these tubes were all fine. When you intend to work on your tube tester, always look at those as instruments. So if you intend to improve the accuracy, or need to repair it, don't expect to get any wiser from just opening it up with a multimeter in your hand, and no experience and no manual. You won't find a potentiometer in there called "calibration", and a test point to connect your multimeter to. Reality is, tube testers work very unusual, and even experts get a real head ache from it. There are many problems and issues with tube testers. Most tube testers works like this: It does some test on the tube in some way. Then it refers this in some way to something, which is then the "result" presented to you. Take the previous sentence and replace the word "some" by unknown. Then you get this: It does a test on the tube in an unknown way. Then it refers this in unknown way to an unknown reference, which is then the "result" presented to you. You still like it? Add to this, many testers are good / bad kind of testers, but let you believe it's an intrument. Also some testers have no problem telling you "50mA" on the scale, while in reality there is only 25mA. (and that's the normal way... no defect). The "patented" testers sure measure not the normal way, but for me the normal way is the best way. To give you an example, with an AVO Mk2....Mk4 you are supposed to measure the grid voltage (which is in this tester a DC voltage with an AC wave shape overlaid on it) with an AVO Type 8 multimeter. The reading on that meter involves the load that meter gives on the circuit. So take any other meter, and you get any other result. Next is, you can never tell how that funny wave shape (DC + AC mixed) will read on any other multimeter. So you need a calibrated AVO 8. Good luck with that. The main thing to realize is, accuracy with a tube tester comes from all components to be good. It begins with the needle instrument. Someone dropped the tester, and the meter is unlinear, out of scale. Also they often lost some magnetism after 50 years. You can have a problem with the transformer you didn't notice, and all kinds of nasty and hard to find things. Have you ever heard that tube testers are made for 110V, and now we have 115V? (or 220V vs. 230V). If you think that doesn't matter, then take a Variac, and try it. I can save you the work: It does matter. Then, many build in problems were most of the time not found be the people who owned it before you. How could the poor guy know. So if the 6.3Volt winding for the filaments has a partial short circuit, it will give 6.1Volts only, someone before you just boosted up the transconductance reading a little bit, change a resistor to boost the meter reading, and once the meter is there were it should be, with most of the tubes, there is your good old "calibrated" tester. And now you have it on your bench, and you try to fix it, and have no idea where to begin. Add to this the leaking switches, fungus wiring, leaking capacitors, and off value resistors. To be honest, with almost all testers I found, this is the normal situation. If.... your testers is older, it probably need several repairs, and after that , a good a calibration by someone who has at least one laboratory tester in proven to be good condition. Ask your potential repair man about this! When he can fix you tester in a jiffy, because he has so and so many years experience... then surprise him with a www.jacmusic.com reference tube, and ask him kindly to measure it exactly for you, so you can verify your tester. If he can't tell you the right value of those tubes, he has not even calibrated his own testers. Folks, I have seen so many tube testers before, and it is the standard procedure, that the owner thinks he is the lucky guy with the perfect tester. He has no way to prove it, still believe in it. The crown of this story is, that buying a calibrated tube (oh yes we sell those useless things) is probably regarded a waist of money by this person. Those who do buy a calibration tube, sometimes come back to say they do not measure the same values as written on that tube. The suspicion is there is something wrong with the calibration tubes. Well I failed to understand this, but I can live with it. So.... I present here some basic information, just for the fun of it, and I hope you can use it. BUT.... PLEASE do not start email chat about a defective tester, and how repair it, or calibrate it. I really have no time for this. Thanks for understanding! For questions of how to repair a broken tube tester, post it on: www.audioasylum.com However if you have information you would like to place here for others, such as manuals and nice picture of the inside of a tester, please mail it, we sure will place that here. One more note about newer digital / computerized testers. The ones I know, measure the tubes in a pulsed mode, in very low duty cycle mode. That means, test conditions are applied to the tube for a very short time, and then disconnected again. That allows very small power supplies. By itself these testers give very detailed reports. However, the main problem with those is they do not heat up the tube. So doing 100 pulse measurements to get a curve, sure gives you a good idea of the curve, however the curve was tested on a cold tube. As long as you know that, and as long as you know what that means, and how to deal with that constraint, your 're ok. However I attach no value whatsoever to a leakage or hum measurement done on digital testers, since that needs the tube to be fully heated up to maximum dissipation for about 15 minutes. (not let the heater on for 5 minutes). |
Part1 ) About how to test tubes
Who didn't read this before on Ebay: These tubes all test "GOOD" on my TC1 Tester. Wonderful, that makes them more expensive. Right? Well, it's better than nothing, but that's about it. Because, what I personally would like to know for HiFi.... is this:
Keep apart the categories of the tubes to test. These are:
Here are some ways to test a tube
1) Plug in a brand new tube in your amplifier, and see if the function improves.
This result can't be denied! This method was used by many service technicians! The tube manufacturers had special cases for that for service man, with a collection of new tubes, one of each. If you have no other way, take this way! It is a very good one.
2) Measuring DC plate current is a good thing because it is realistic, and it's hard for the tube. This is no job for a low cost, or also not for a "patented" tester. There is nothing to patent on a normal, straight forward DC parametric tester, and this is the ONLY 100% safe way for power tubes. So once the tester has patents in it ... I get this "no no" feeling.
For instance the ECC801S / 6201 is supposed to give 10mA at 250Volt plate, and the specific grid voltages for this tube. It is "good" when not higher than 14mA and not lower than 7mA. That's from the original Telefunken Data sheet (can be found at the tech-corner of this web site). The end-of-life is below 6mA, or when the original value it had when it was new, has lost 40%. Now that is a very clear specification :) So of course THIS is what you like to verify, and the very moment the tester has a patent, it means it is NOT testing this way. I know if no testers that are an exceptions to this. So, also not AVO because they are patented too. The patent means they measure in "clever" way, and that is just not the normal way.
The GE Data sheet of the KT66 simply says below what current the tube is bad. Unfortunately these are the good exceptions, and most tube manufacturers avoided that question like monkey plague.
When measuring real DC plate current, you need very precise and heavy electronics, these tube testers are expensive, and may need calibration or periodically verification of the tester. In the instruments world the definition about calibration and verification is a reversed one. Please take good note of this. It means when specified NOTHING, the instruments needs yearly calibration. If it says it needs a calibration every five years, then this counts instead. So no information = Yearly calibration. This the way the world of instruments is defined. So if your tube tester is from 1965, nothing is written about calibration in the manual, and it was never checked ever since, FORGET the results. It missed the calibration every year ever since 1966. Verification is a process which must be specifically ALLOWED by the instruction manual. So when not mentioned, it is no good way to test this tester. Verification means you compare the result to a know tube, and when ok, the tester is ok. VERY FEW tube testers are so good they can be checked that way. For instance Funke W19 can be checked that way.
When is a tube good or bad?
Generally it can be said a tube is bad when the original plate current is below 70% of the initial value for European tubes, and below 60% for USA tubes. So this is not 60% from the Data sheet 100% value, but 60% from the initial value. The initial value may have been lower than the 100% value or higher. Hard to say what the initial value was after many years. The best is always to mark it on the tube. Otherwise you have a dirty method here. To give an example: a tube has for instance a 100% Value of 100mA, by the Data sheet Suppose the initial value of YOUR tube was 70mA, when it was new. A European tube may drop down to 70% of that, so 49mA and is still good. But.... suppose the initial value was 140mA, then 70% of that is 98mA. Below that the tube is worn out! So you see how important the initial value is. Always mark it on a new tube when you know the value. Has the initial value got lost, you have to guess it. So quality tubes have the initial value written on the box.

3) Measuring Transconductance is good, because you can construct good tube testers, with little electronics, and get useful results from that. These often need no or little calibration, or just verification. So verification requires a calibrated tube, or another tester of the same kind to compare the results. However.... Testers that measure transconductance with little electronics are not never accurate with ALL tubes, and that's per definition. So the Hickoks are typically calibrated with a 6L6, and you can fully trust the readings with any kind of similar tube, like KT66 or KT88. However they are not capable of testing tubes like 2A3 or 300B under real life conditions. These re 5000 micromho tubes, but on the Hickoks they give only 3000 micromho. If they do on a Hickok, they're fine. In real life such tubes are bad. So you see my problem I have with any patented tester whatsoever.
What is not so good, with "Transconductance only" testers, is the unknown DC conditions for the tube under test. I have many Hickoks, and I find that a "bad" tube on by those testers is definitely bad. These tester makes no mistakes with that. But how it came to that conclusion is unknown. If you do not want to know why a tube is bad, but you are only interested if it needs a replacement, a Hickok is THE tester.
The ideal way to measure transconductance is with an AC (audio) Test signal, and adjustable DC and original Data sheet settings to go with it. Very very few testers work like this. Almost every tester has i it's own way to avoid this. Reason is, as said before, expensive electronics.
Some very good testers however, are the higher class Hickok testers. These perform a real transconductance measurement, with a (known) Grid bias voltage, put a known AC signal on the grid, and from that measure the real AC plate current. Do keep in mind ALL Hickoks work with AC wave shapes, that represent equivalent DC voltages, and this limits the precision, no matter what you try or do. A better method for this, is not using the mains voltage a signal, but a higher frequency from an oscillator. Why is that? You may say you can also measure transconductance at 50 or 60Hz also? The answer is: No you can not measure that precisely at the mains frequency. Reason is, if the tube is humming (so it has a defect) the hum signal will be a part of the plate signal. So such the tube will read better than it is. The Russian L3-3 uses a 1600 Hz sine wave at the input of the tube, and a 1600 Hz band filter on the meter. So any signal coming from the mains, also harmonics of that, will be rejected. Even distortion of the tube is not added to the result, since the second harmonics is already 3200 Hz, and filtered out.
I found almost no tester that can accurately measure the transconductance of larger directly heated power tubes like 2A3 or 300B. The testers I have, so far the only one that produces an EXACT and fully correct reading is the Russian L3-3. All other testers produce values that are for the birds. Also the great and highly valued AVO Mk4 produces bad results. Wisely they left out the 300B of the AVO manual. Also most Hickok roll chart avoid mentioning the 300B. I found out the reason for that, is the too low plate resistance of those tubes. There is a hint about that in the AVO manual, but this hint is written in such a way that you will not understand the real meaning of it. What they mean at AVO is: Forget the results for all tubes with low Rp. The Hickoks also can't measure such tubes accurately if you ask me. Those Hickok testers that can't do it, also don't have the 300B in the manual. If you do test it, by simply put it in 2A3 and set the filament to 5V, you get bad and wrong results. So it will read 3000 micro mho for a tube that has 5500. Also for your 2A3. But... who knows the real Gm of a 2A3 before testing it ...? So nobody finds out, and nobody will complain. So I return again to the Russian L3-3 as the best tester I know.
4) Load Testers. With this test, any tube is connected as a diode, and it is tested how much current the diode can make flow through a load resistor. These testers can be build almost without electronics at all. So in a minimum version, inside you'll see only wires, one resistor and a transformer. They're cheap to make and easy to use. With nothing inside, nothing can get defective. Most radio and TV repair men had them. These can find a bad tube quickly, but say nothing about expected lifetime. So it told you what tube to replace to get your TV working. These do pick out bad tubes. So if that's all you want to know, this kind of tester what you need. Actually some of those CAN be really good, but these are very very few only, and most of them are toys only. Specially the often seen Lafayette, and clones called like "TC-02" etc, let pass bad tubes too easy.
Click here to read about the accuracy of a Funke W19 tube tester.
SHORT OVERVIEW OF TUBE TESTER FEATURES IN EXEL FORMAT HERE
“The point in question now is whether the emission or transconductance test is the best. This is determined in part by the circuit in which the tube is to be used, in case of an RF or IF amplifier tubes, the stage gain is proportional to the transconductance; this the Gm test is the most important. In case if an output or power rectifier tube, it must be capable of supplying large amounts of current; here the emission test is the most important” “Fine Points of Tube Testing” by William F. Burke, Consulting Editor, which appeared in the 1958 Test Equipment Manual. |

Part 2) About buying a tube tester on Ebay
Have you already been cheated with a tube tester on Ebay? Welcome to the club!

Ebay is a NO good place to buy a tube tester. When prices are rocketing on Ebay, it means there is no supply and high demands. I think of myself sometimes as one who knows a little bit about tube testers, and I say this: Nobody, absolutely nobody will sell a good working, reliable tube tester of the kind everybody needs. He would keep it. That's because they're almost impossible to find in "instrument" condition, and he knows that. Don't believe you're going to be the lucky guy, paying only a medium price for a fine tester. Also don't think worst case you get one that you will able to fix with some basic knowledge of electronics. F-o-r-g-e-t- about it. People buy them, try them out, find the problems, and some weeks later you see the same tube tester again on Ebay. I have only extremely negative experience with tube testers on Ebay. Forget it that you may find a tube tester that you can repair with some glue and a piece of wire. I thought so myself too, but that was a long time ago. Typical problems are partially short circuited transformers, bad panel meters, defective rotation switches for Funke and Neuberger. All kind of things that were hard or impossible fix by the previous owner makes the thing land on Ebay. The seller always tries to appear a very untechnical person, so he wants to put you in the "lucky guy" position. Then when you find out he sold you a piece of junk , he is "untechnical" and he says his friend thought it worked good. Typically this is what a fraud case is made of. Normally he is not stupid at all, and has been trying like crazy to get it fixed, and gave up, and his friends too, and he sees no way to repair it. With the crazy prices on Ebay, he gets the enlightened idea to sell it, and buy another one for that money.
Here are the observations I made:
SO WHERE DO I GET MY TUBE TESTERS FROM? I get them from people I know, and for the rest of it, I am not buying from strangers unless really cheap. When buying on Ebay, I only take sellers with 100% positive, and I make the proposal I can try it out, and when the thing is not as described, I can send it back. And only very very rarely they agree about that. This is the way to do it :). On the other hand, when you ask about the return option, and he starts to blow some smoke around it, like "unknown condition", and "we sell it as is", and the stories about "old uncles" from "closed radio stores" come up, then just laugh about it, and walk away.
Part 3) My collection
AMPLITREX 1000 By coincidence, it's on the top here. sorted by alphabet. I Just ordered this one from Chris Terraneau at Amplitrex, and received it (June 2009). I will file a detailed test report about it later. The amazingly nice build inside construction, was what made me decide to buy it. It doesn't have many tube sockets, so for several tubes you're going to have to build or buy adapters. |
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AVO Mk1 Will describe it later in detail. So far, this one is amazing. Inside is almost no electronics, and since no calibration is needed, nothing can be off-calibration. I tested a 6SN7 that I know has exactly 2.7mA/V at 250V / -8V. The Mk1 reproduces this value accurately. I want to investigate it better, to see how they get this precise results from just two transformers and some resistors. It is the mother of all other AVO's. If you are buying a tube tester, I think this is one of the few that you can buy with little risk. I would say if some unknowing seller says "it works" it is probably good. It has no sockets for 7 pin miniature and noval tubes, but a socket adapter for those existed. Of course you can't get those, and they're always missing. You can easily make the adapters yourself from old tube sockets, and the settings for 7 pin and 9 pins tubes plus settings for ALL tubes in the later edition manuals! What else do you need :) In a few words: A fully underestimated tester, secret tip. I see people pay 220 Euro for "low end" Emission testers. I don't think these are worth that at all. Then you better pay this price for a Mk1! AVO PATENTS Zipped files. Very interesting. Package-1 .... Pakage-2 |
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Ebay prices seen: 2006: Good condition: 800€ |
AVO Mk2 Here will be placed (later) a re-build report about the AVO Mark 2. This tester can do the same as the Mark4, but it has a little different method to operate it. The principle is comparable to the Mk4. What is better about the Mk2, it has one tube inside which only function is to be a reference tube. So the reference tube and the tube under test go into a wheatstone bridge, where non-linearity of the tube-under-test is compensated with the non linearity of the reference tube inside. This is a very clever system. Also the Mk2 is very easy serviceable, because you can take off the whole cap with just four screws. So you can access it from all sides. With the (later) Mk4 it is almost impossible to work on the inside electronics. The Mark2 is a very old tester, so they all need some service or repairs before you have them back into instrument condition again. The used electronics are of good quality. No strange components, that you don't know what they are, no rusty resistors, no leaky capacitors, the wiring is still very good after all those years, no signs of cracks or anything. All semiconductors are still good. All rectifiers are solid state, but not Germanium. These are the antique kind of early diodes, with several layers of metal to metal-oxide and very high (40Volts) forward voltage. I took them out and tested them, and they all worked fine after 50 years. I was ready to replace those with new rectifiers, but the old ones tested so nice on my Metrix tube tester. No leakage at all, and very well defined "on" voltage. So I just put them back in. The reference tube has it's own supply transformer, and the whole unit with the reference tube is mounted on a separate chassis. This sub chassis has only four wires. Two are connected to the mains, and the other two are the connections at which a diode is presented. This diode is then wired into the rest of the circuit. A Very beautiful design., like a master piece, and you can see from this way it is build, that this "tube diode" is the core of this tester. I don't believe the solid state part they used for this in the MK4 is just as good. The Mk2 has all sockets for any tube that is used in Radio or amplifiers. It can do any mains voltage. In a few words: For me Mk2 is a better quality tester than the Mk4, and the circuitry of the Mk2 doesn't suffer yet from the "need" of having to use no tubes inside. It's amongst the top-ten testers. The price difference with the Mk4 is not justified, since Mk2 has a higher negative grid voltage possible, and for the rest if it the Mk4 gives no higher precision, and no better or faster results. Mk4 has a more solid case, the case of the the Mk2 can be lifted off very conveniently for service, which is for me more important than nice looks. . |
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Ebay prices seen: 2007: Good condition: 1600€ |
AVO Mk4 Will describe it later. I bought it as "perfect" with the option to give it back. Well it needs some repair, one pot is defective and mains is not indicated correct. For the rest it seems ok, so I keep it. This is the most sought of, and most wanted tester. Mk4 does seem to have some small advantages over the Mk2, like more precise reading of the scales. However this is only what is seems. Reality is, with the Mk4 you are supposed to believe it is incredible precise because of the very accurate and nice way of reading the numbers from the scales. But.... what is the use of that, when the generic precision of the whole machine is not better than +/-20%, and not more precise than the Mk2 anyway? So we have to say it, that this extremely precise way to read the numbers from the scales is marketing bullshit. The resulting precision from a measurement doesn't come from extremely precise scales, as long as the base precision of the whole machine produces 20% error. In numbers: You can read a Gm of 5,05mA/V with an accuracy of 1mA/V. Same as with the Mk2. With the Mk2 you can read 5mA/V with an accuracy of 1mA/V. What's the difference? None! So for me, Mk2 and Mk4 are the same level: Mk2 has the big advantage of much higher negative grid voltage if you need it. (and oh yes, you need it) . The case of the Mk4 is stronger, end certainly nicer looking. But .... Mk2 is easier to service the inside, because you can lift off the whole cap. So for me Mk2 and Mk4 get the same score. Still either Mk2 or Mk4 are not as accurate as CT160. So here is how I rank them:
You have a broken meter? It can happen when you make a set up mistake, and the needle hits the sides violently. It is not very protected against that. Also some meters stick a little bit, or can be electrostatic. Here is a company in England that I know they can repair AVO Meters. It's a normal industrial company, so don't expect any interest in tube chat. Better go here, this is an English site where you can discuss old equipment The Mk4 service Manual HERE |
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Ebay prices seen: 2007: Very good one. 1675$
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AVO CT160 Is operated in a very unusual way, because you have to balance a bridge for the measurement. However you get used to it quickly, and once you are you start to appreciate it, given that you know what a bridge is, and given you know what you are doing. If these two things are not given, you won't like it. It is quicker to operate than the Mk2, Mk3 or Mk4. CT160 is amazingly very precise but ONLY AND REALLY ONLY when the internal calibration resistor is awfully precise adjusted. Any yes, when it's older it needs to be replaced. Also the grid pots usually need a repair (that you may not know). These are the weak spots, and quite easy to fix. For the rest nothing serious can be broken inside. However a repair on this one, same as with any tube tester, is no job for amateurs. For a detailed test report, click here. In a few words: Amongst the top-ten testers. |
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Centrad 752 Will describe it later, looks a bit like a Taylor 45. It is defective. Need to repair it first. |
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Funke W19. Factory price in 1968: 425 Euro. 20 years manufactured, from 1952....1972. This tester was made by a German Engineer, Max Funke who more or less spend his entire carrier building tube testers, and some other test equipment. This ended in two top models, the W19S and W20. He had a new model in preparation, but that one never made it into production, since the end of the tubes production was near. The W19 (S) is the largest and final model which is completely programmed via the punch cards. The W19S version is preferred over the W19 , since it has more sockets, a more useful case. A total of 5000pcs W19 were made, and I think most of them still exist because it's an after war model. This Funke W19 made in 1968 , I bought on Ebay in said to be "working condition", but that was just about it, for the rest it was a mess. At least the basic material was very good. The man paid me back some of the money, and for me it was ok then. I love good instruments, and I spend over one week restoring and calibrating it, including the meter linearity. Now it is like new again. The best about the W19 is, is has no settings. So you plug in the pins on the test card, and you can read if the tube is good or not. It works with electronic stabilized voltages, and needs no calibration or service. When the control lamp burns, it means the internal electronics is working. They thought of the user's comfort. I would say it's THE tester amongst professional tube dealers. It gives very reliable results. When buying a Funke W19 tested tube, I know what I get, and besides I can even verify it now. It can measure almost any tube, USA and American, and can be operated without having to think a lot, and the reading is stabile very quickly. So you don't need to heat up the tubes very long. (Though you do need to heat up the tester for 10 minutes, so the internal voltage stabilizer reaches it's accurate voltage). It is ideal for having to test 100's of tubes. When I verified the results, bad tubes, were really bad, and "?" tubes are indeed just like that, and new tubes from Electro Harmonics, Sovtek, etc., are always indicated at or above 100% Here is how the W19 works, it is as simple as efficient and reliable. The W19 works with test cards, and you can make no mistake with those. We all know this strange feeling when plugging in a 500€ tube in a tester. You check all settings 5 times, and still are afraid for your expensive tube to blow up. When testing an ECC803S with any other tester than the W19, first I plug in a cheap JJ tube. However when testing an expensive NOS RE134, I have no cheap JJ tube to try it first. Here is where the W19S comes in, it's a good feeling you can do really nothing wrong. All voltages are set by the card. The internal voltages are taken from a ladder network. So the plate voltage is stabilized, but also other stabilized voltages derived from this. Now what is nice, you rotate the only button it has, all though the positions 1...13. In position "0" the whole tester is off. From 1...10 it performs all the leakage and short circuit tests, and each test is passed when the meter stays on the "zero" position. Suppose it fails one test, the meter goes to the left, into a small white zone first, which is acceptable, and if it goes further a red zone begins, which is where "leakage" starts. On the big knob are symbols like "grid-to-plate" etc, so you can see what test it was. That is all there is to say about how it works. I tested it with a KT88 and an external 400k resistor from grid to filament, and it indicates the middle of the red scale. Perfect! Position 11 is the actual test, and the results is pre-printed on the test card. Position 12 gives the transconductance by changing the grid voltage from 0V to -2V. So you need to calculate the micromhos (=mA/V). The transconductance test is invalid with tubes that cut off at -2V, but also here the cut-off should take place, so at least that you know, and the tube is probably good. With other tubes you can calculate the transconductance like this. Position 13 gives the vacuum condition, and you're done. The cards are the software, the W19 the hardware. What is nice about the cards, they have the tube main data printed on them, including connections, and standard settings. Also many replacement types. Then it gives the actually test settings in the W19, the plate current, and most important, it tells you what is bad, "?" and good. These cards are really accurate. That's why I like the W19 so much. Prices: I collect some from Ebay, prices are rising quickly. Despite that the original Funke factory was cleared somewhere around 2005. From that closure a lot of material came on Ebay, specially stacks of NOS test cards, several blue books, switches and meters. Even new cases have popped up on Ebay. Still prices go up and up. I bought mine for a few hundred Euro. You can only dream of that now. There is the W19S and W19. The "S" is the military one, and looks less nice, but it has more sockets and a higher rated transformer. It can do filament current up to 4 Amps and plate dissipation up to 50Watt, but also can delicately and precisely measure battery tubes at less than a mA. It can test bigger tubes also with an AC plate voltage, which makes it possible to test any tube up to 250mA. The reading is in equivalent DC milliamps, which seems to represent real DC measurements nicely. I tried that out. Rectifiers can be tested used up to 250mA. Making tests cards is a piece of cake, because when you remove the card, you have all the settings nicely printed underneath. So you can select the plate voltages AC or DC by plug in the correspondent pin. When the test does what you want, you can make your own card quickly from a sheet of paper, and stick the test pins through the paper. In a few words: Ideal for for who want to get a very quick and reliable result, which is totally respected by the everyone. WARNING: A Quantity of about 50pcs NOS, original factory carton packed W19 have been removed illegally from a warehouse in Germany just a few years ago. By German rights, you can not become the legal owner of stolen goods. Under all circumstances, the legal owner can claim back the goods from the person who owns it. |
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Grundig Tubatest This table is how I think it is, but actually very little can be found about this tester
Interesting tester. Made right after WW2, under the company name RVF (Radio-Vertrieb Fürth). Tubatest can be found at low cost still, and it works nice. The Tubatest 2 that I have, is a nice piece of hardware, in a strong and nice case, and you can work on it easily. The switches are nice made and high quality. The way the operate is logical and well thought of. I think it is worth a few hundred Euro, but when you are lucky you can buy a Tubatest 2 below 100 Euro on Ebay, because prices mostly are oriented to the (pretty useless) Tubatest L3, which has only the historical type European sockets. So, Tubatest 2 is my secret tip, or otherwise Tubatest (1) when you can get it together with the rare adapter kit . So, most information and price orientation in the internet is for the pretty useless Tubatest L3, but this had no adapter kit build in, and no connector for it either! Link to Grundig official nostalgia page. The company still exists. On the left side of this linked page, you can click their products, and you can see they made beautiful industry designs. Around the mid 90's, they changed to making products with futuristic looks, of the kind that Chinese designers make today. So you see they were way ahead of their time. |
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Ebay prices seen: 2007: Good one 680€ |
ELPO 508 Bought it on Ebay, and got cheated with it (as always). According to the German seller it was very accurate, but it produced complete nonsense when I tried it. What's the use if a nice and friendly old man is prepared to take it back, and all the mess and work was for nothing. So I decided to keep it, and repair it later. Well this tester is a strange one. It seems to me like an AVO Mark 5. The principle is completely the same as the later AVO's have, only compared to the ELPO 508, the AVO's are almost primitive construction. Selector. It does have the nice AVO selector switch on the top, so company connections to this AVO clearly must exist. (Who can help me to find this out???). Overload Relay: Who owns an AVO, will know the overload protection is very inaccurate, and a problem source too. Well this one has a nice, very sensitive electronic circuit, which does the same as that relay in the AVO. Nicely build on a printed circuit board, and it obviously replaces this relay. On overload it switches from a green scale light to a red one. Nicely done, looks like taken from the AVO CT160. Sockets: These are the beautiful (and best I have ever seen) tube sockets as used in the Russian L3-3. Circuit diagram: Partially hand drawn"blueprint" ( A real blue one). Operation: I have an AVO Mk1, Mk2 and Mk4. When you are in the position to compare these, you will know these more or less work the same, only they get more mature, and higher models are the more convenient to use. (not give more precision, just more convenient). The Mk1 is for instance more precise then the Mk4, and Mk1 needs no calibration. Only, Mk1 is a bit strange thing to use. Interestingly, the ELPO works like the Mk4, but.... it is much more convenient. That is because it can do all a MK4 can, and has a much simpler way to archive this result, whit less knobs. Someone has done a very good job on this. So the way I can see it, this company ELPO actually took the Mk4, and improved it and make indeed something like the Mk5. It also has many more calibration points inside, from which I expect it will deal with some of the un precision the AVO MK4 has. I decided to restore it, and investigate this. This is why I kept it, and not send it back to the fraudulent seller. QUESTION I have only the polish manual, which is very nice and complete, but I can't read a word. Who can tell me how to calibrate it? |
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Overview of Hickok Tube Testers 1. Models before the Hickok patent. Very old testers, not practical today. 2. Technician models, Large case
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General features of all Hickok testers
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Micromho test Let me tell you what that is. Somebody invented the unit "Mho" as a reverse value of "Ohm". That by itself makes me feel funny about it. In Europe they didn't want the word Mho, so called it Siemens. The ridiculous thing is now that we can call a resistor of 10 Ohms also 0.1Mho or 0.1 Siemens. The idea was to describe the conductivity (conductivity is the opposite of resistance) But actually all passive components have only resistance in my healthy opinion. Now tubes are active components. The output current is regulated by the input voltage. So these try to conduct. Their behaviour is best written down as milliampere per Volt. So you change the grid voltage 1Volt, and the output current changes 5mA, and we say the tube has 5mA per Volt. (5 mA/V). Here we go.... that equals 5000 micromho. Because Ohm is Volt / Ampere, and Mho = 1/ Ohm. What a useless mess! Anyway this can not be changed any more, same as some countries will use miles and gallons, no matter how unlogical it. You must see the use of micromho in that light. Anyway, this explains why USA testers have micromho on it, and many USA data sheets too, whereas European testers always use mA/V. To make it a bit more confusing, generally but not always, the micromhos are called transconductance and abbreviated as "Gm" and the mA/V are called "S" for Siemens. English test This is another of those things. English test is used by the Hickok testers, and it is a not so good way trying to say you are testing the tube under (an unspecified) load condition. The AVO company in the UK probably made the best recognized series of testers, that tested the tube under load, however they specify exactly what load, and you could read that on the meter, and make all settings yourself.. So you could compare that with tube curves and data sheets. Apart from that, they invented this red-green scale, where the good/bad result is derived from the transconductance (data sheet !) values. So very clever, and very straight forward. In the USA that was called "English" testing. This AVO method was patented, which was a major strike. So Hickok had to patent something else. They patented the "English" test method, which is the RED-GREEN scale you see on most of their testers. I investigated the test results of know to be good and know to be bad tubes, and my conclusion is, it just derives a good/bad value from the already know Gm value. Same principle as AVO, but they (have to) do it in another way, in a very strange way, and in the end the RESULT is the same as with AVO. Test results: With a socket adapter, I just measured the plate current of the tube, while turning the "ENGLISH" dial, and guess what.... Nothing changes! Only the needle moves when you turn the English dial. So I can only conclude, this changes the sensitivity of the red-green meter, and nothing else. Still the English test is the most used, since it tells you "good or bad", and the setting of the English pot meter from the roll chart, is the knowledge of the old tube exerts, put into the tester. Admitted is, the results are very reliable, that's why I keep my Hickoks, no matter what. Some testers like TV7 have only the English test. |
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49-A Will upload pictures later. This is an older kind of tester, probably already having the Hickok patent inside. |
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Hickok 531 (technician model, large case) This is the same as the I-177, only the 531 is the civil model. It doesn't have the potted transformer, and anti fungus treating of the I-177. It is a very old one, so before you buy it make sure it's not rusty inside. It is a very nice tester though when you have a good one. The mains voltage meter you see with this one, is retro fitted. The standard way to adjust the mains is via the main meter. |
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Hickok I-177
Ebay prices 2007: Very good one. 200$ |
Hickok I-177 This was my first tube tester. I have two of those. I bought the first one in 1988 for 45 guilders (20 Euro) in the same old electronics shop, where I bought my stuff when I was a kid. He had them piled up. (Radio Kwakkelstein in Vlaardingen). Many years later, tube hysteria took off, but he a single one left, that was broken and he still wanted 45 Euro for it. I took it for spare parts, but never needed any. The thing was made to last for ever, and work without maintenance in the humid and warm countries where the US army was saving the world from communism. So even if you find a stinky old one, it might be good still. It tests all tubes from before the Noval tubes. For later tubes there is an adapter kit, which by itself is a valuable item, since it is a universal socket adapter for any tube tester, not just I-177 and not just Hickok. The I-177 is a really fantastic tester, because it gives remarkably reliable results on the good/bad scale. What is also great, it has only two knobs to choose tubes. Instead of nine (!) with the later models. They all need a calibration badly, if never done before. If this tester says the tube is "just ok" you can bet it that is just what it is. Most of all you get used to the reading when you test the same kind of tubes, and if you see a tube which is into as good as the other, you better throw that tube away. ( or sell it on Ebay (ahem....) Basically this is THE Hickok tester for the pre-noval tubes. The later model was the TV7 , which could do also test Noval tubes. The I-177 has an interesting way it operates, and this is worth a few lines here. They use their famous patented Hickok circuit, but in the I-177 they added a potentiometer which does noting else then change the meter sensitivity. The signal going to the meter has to pass an attenuator potentiometer. This is the "L" potentiometer. The result of that is, you can test any tube at all, and have a correct reading on the good/bad scale when you know the setting of that attenuator potentiometer. (Of course they knew that at Hickok, and this is the "L" value in the handbook). Since the good/bad readings are done by measuring true, dynamic Gm, there is also this particular position of that potentiometer where the Gm (micro mho) scale is valid. This position is marked with "gm" on the L Pot scale. So the good/bad reading and micro mho reading is done with the same circuit. Their patented Gm measuring circuit is the best of it's kind as far as I know. Due to this patent all other manufacturers had to work without it. It tests all known rectifiers. Also the big triodes like 300B can be tested, and as we know there are not many tube testers that can handle this tube. Not even all later model Hickoks can do a 300B. By experimenting with the settings I can now measure many unlisted tubes with it, like C3g and EM34. It's really a very nice tester, very much recommended. The circuit diagram is inside the tester on a plastic plate. (Fungus proof....), and an Excel list with all test data I found in the internet. These will all work in 100 years from now. They used to be cheap, and regardless useless. Some start to understand how good they are, and prices of those went up a lot over the last years. The bargain days are over, a good tube tester is expensive no matter what. I think these are still a good buy for the money. Here is how to find out settings for an large size tube, like KT88 or so.
A=8 B=5 Fil=6.3 L=70 R=42, Socket E, Gm switch at 6000. I have not yet tried this for small tubes, like ECC83, but there was no need also. The manual was complete so far. In a few words: The best of this tester is the good/bad test. It discovers any potentially weak tube. Good buy when you use pre-war tubes. It can give the real Gm value of the tubes, and good/bad indication. It has no sockets for modern tubes. Use the MX949 adapter kit, and you can test any modern tube also. Make sure when you buy the adapter kit, you have the extended manual with it, otherwise you only have the adapter kit, but not the settings for it. They are all extremely out of calibration, so that needs to be done for 100% sure, unless the seller did it already for you. (I am sorry, we do not offer calibration service) |
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533A, 533B (technician model, large case) The A-Version uses only a 2.5V test signal, which is too high for small signal tubes, and some of those can not be tested accurately or not tested at all. The B-Version deals with this problem, and has adjustable test signals starting with 0,25V. Tubes that need lower input signal, are tested with lower signal. The ranges are switched automatically when you change through the Gm scales. So 533B is much preferred over 533A, if you also want to test the later kind of tubes. |
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534A, 534B (technician model, large case) The 534 is a 533 with a build-in multi meter. For all other information, refer to the 533, also for the issue with the test signal voltage. (So 534B is much preferred over 543A ) |
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TV7 (technician model, small case) This one came after the I-177, reminds me a bit of the 600. It has the more modern sockets. A disadvantage is, it fails the direct reading of Gm in micromho. It has very straight forward way of operating it. What is nice, is the test switch and the short-circuit switch are combined, so you go automatically through the short test, before doing functional testing. Very popular tester. Switches inside are ceramic. Very good service documentation exists still today, and it has nicely arranged calibration settings inside. So if you don't need the Gm results, only what to know the English value (meaning good/bad) this is a very nice tester. |
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600 (technician model, small case) This is a simplified version of the 5xx series. They left away some test options like lifetime test. The main disadvantage is the lower precision, and there is no way to calibrate it more precise than what it was made for. Reason is, the Gm reading is done with a particular setting of the English scale. For instance for the 3000mmho scale, you must set the English pot to the red dot "3000". Then read on the 3000mmho scale. So this saves the range switch, the 5xx series has. The 600 has a red dot painted on the English scale for each range. However, the 3000 dot is almost at the beginning of the scale, may be only 10...15 wire windings away from it. When you try to set it precise, you will notice each winding of the wire wound the pot meter will give a change of the meter indication. So no matter how small the dot is, at the beginning or at the end of the dot, you have two different readings. Needless to say, the position of that dot is hypercritical. It means you depend on the original factory precision, and you have no practical way to make the tester any better than that. However the small size and simply way to operate it, made it very popular. It sort if did what the not-so-critical technician needed, and frankly speaking it still does so today. |
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605A (technician model, small case) This is the same as the 600, only the 605A has a multimeter inside |
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539A, 539B, 539C (laboratory model) The largest laboratory testers. For me, these all have one BIG disadvantage: the English scale is missing. So the tester doesn't tell you if the tube is good or bad. You're supposed to be able to tell this yourself. The so called advantage of the bias setting with it's own voltmeter is only a marketing gimmick, because the scale is too tiny, and unprecise.The the 539 series are easier to calibrate than the 750 series, but a well calibrated 750 is also something very nice. Hickok 539A Just purchased it from Mr. Dekker from Belgium. Will be described in detail later. This is how he offered it on Ebay: "This tube tester is fully operational, all controls and roll chart work smoothly. The outside black Tolex covering does have nicks and tears but this can easily be recovered. All three meters are fully functional with smooth movement" Actually this is the kind of description I can only advise you to look for. No uncles, no friends who tested it. The seller was the user himself, and he even pictured his tubes tested with this one. So I thought I was safe. Then when I received it I could not believe my eyes. The Tolex was fully torn away by some form of idiot. Here is what I received. Pic1 - Pic2 - Pic3 Next thing: "This tube tester is fully operational" he writes. Well, the Gm value reads twice the vale as it should be. So it is useless. He tells me this "must have happened in the mail". Interestingly, he points out already in the auction text to accept no loss of accuracy that happens in the mail. Now look at that... So he already "expected" the tester to damage in the mail. (You see what I mean?). Now look at the Ebay picture. This tells it all, but I must admit I didn't notice while bidding. Here you see a tube tested, and the meter is all in the right corner. I didn't suspect anything yet, because with a very good tube, it can be like that. Only the problem is, it does so with ANY tube I try, even a broken one. Press the test button and the meter gives a minimum of 100% reading or more, no matter what tube, even without a tube. Conclusion: This tester gives completely useless readings, the case was wrecked up by a monkey, and the main meter sticks. Mind you this is sold by a person with over 900 plosive feedbacks, and a 100% positive record. Well, this deal ended his 100% positive. I offered to give it back, and he writes: "No discussion possible". Don't understand me wrong, this is no way to complain about a bad deal here in the Internet. I put this here on the web site so you can all see what appears to be normal at the moment. So this is going to be my next restoration project. Then I will show here in detail if there were any other hidden defects in this tester, and what I had to do to repair it. For the readers of this web page, this was my learning experience, and it happened to me, though I really tried to prevent it. |
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Hickok 750 Both 750 I bought, had good basic substance as I got it. No serious damage, and only worked by good technicians. Well almost. One had a sticky roll chart, which must have driven the owner crazy, ending up using a big screw driver, violently pushing the wheel, until it all broke down. But that was all of the mistreatment it got, and I could fix that at almost no cost. I had an NOS roll chart, and digged up a new thumb wheel. It seems to me, the later roll charts are simply too big, and these roll not smooth for that reason. For making it an accurate tool for daily use, there was a lot to do still. The other 750 I have appears virtually unused, but that doesn't keep the electronics from aging. The 750 is a refurbished 532, and Hickok tried to replace the 539C by it. My opinion is, the 750 is one of the best Hickoks there is, and more useful than the over hyped 539C. More about this later. What is really nice with the 750, is has additional to the classical two tube Gm test, an adjustable DC voltage of 200V, 100mA. I found both my 750's can not supply full current and full voltage simultaneously, so that must be how they are. When exchanging the 83 rectifier for an 83V, maximum currents exceeds even 100mA, while the micromho readings don't get affected. Perhaps I will change this later, but I think this is going to take some exchange of other components too. At least I need to check this better, and for the moment I will leave it as is. The voltage option lets you test stabilizer tubes, but you can do also other things with it, as you like. If you don't know how to do that, it's better only to test things as indicated on the roll chart. Later on, I will show you how to repeat Funke W19 tests with it. The 750 differs from the smaller testes like 533 and 534 because it works with different AC test signals, instead of a fixed signal. It has this in common with the 539C. This allows testing of tubes with very high gain, so no overdrive will occur. This makes a 30.000 micromho scale possible. They put back in the load test in the 750, which the 539C is missing. I think it was a mistake, to remove that with the 539C. The latter can only measure transconductance, no load test is done. Also you can't compare the transconductance you measure with the 539C with your tube book, because the plate voltage of the 539C is too low, and simply wrong for most tubes. Next is, the roll chart data of the 539C is lower than for a new tube. That was done to give you a way to pick out the bad tubes, because in the end that's what people want. So Hickok put a non-standard roll chart in the 539C, with lower values than normal. So they printed the reject value on the 539C roll chart, not the "new tube" value. (of course you 539C users, you all know that... he he). This makes I don't like the 539 so much. To to stop the confusion, Hickok put back in the load test in the 750, and also give standard tube data on the 750 roll chart, same as with older (normal) testers. That was a good decision. I never found any documentation about how this load (English) test is really done. The word "English" suggest the AVO method, like in the Mk2...4, and CT160. I will check that later, with an oscilloscope. The oldest tester I have, using the AVO so called "patented" method, is... a German military tester that I estimate from 1938. For the moment let's trust Hickoks experience, giving us the correct "English" dial setting for each tube. Somebody in Cleveland Ohio (where this tester was made..) must have had a huge cabinet full of good and bad tubes, and just tried out the right settings. The roll chart is the software of the tester, so to say. ( I know it was done like this from the book of Harvey "Gizmo" Rosenberg, who described the work of Julius Futterman. Before the war, Julius used to work for a company building tube testers, and tube manufacturers would send him all kind of tubes, to update the roll charts) Now go to the restoration page of this tester. There were many things to do.... Please note the repairs are for both my 750's. So you may notice small differences in the pictures.
WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH THE 750 AND WHAT IS NOT IN THE MANUAL: 1) FUNKE W19 simulation. Here is something really new. With the 750 it is possible to do the Funke W19 tests with your Hickok 750. All you need is the famous Funke Blue book, which costs you about 30..80 Euro, and a copy of the card set which is on Ebay for 15 Euro. The Funke W19 is extremely popular in Europe, a top model, but it is completely ignored in the English speaking territories, except Asia who love the W19 also. Now don't ask me why that is, but this is where we are. The W19 is mainly an Emission tester, but boy.. it is such a good one. Test results are undisputable. This tester proves what a good Emission Tester can look like. It is at the level of the better Hickoks, in terms or reliability, accuracy and correct test results. So if you have a Hickok 750 (or 539), read here is how to do Funke W19 tests on it! 2) Forward voltage of rectifier tubes. This is of particular use in the laboratory If you don't know much about tubes, and only want a quick result, you should use the classical test a by the roll chart. Example: The 80 rectifier to my experience should have a forward voltage of 25..40 Volts at 60mA to be good. Where 25V rarely happens, and above 45 the "bad" range begins. Also note what it does at lower filament voltage. A good rectifier does not significantly change it's forward voltage if you do so. On the other hand, if the forward voltage is higher than normal, and you set the filament voltage one click higher, and the tube significantly improves by this, the tube is worn out. You can try to ge those results in-line with the classical test as on the roll chart. To do this test, just set up the tube from the roll chart first. Then set the "Adjustable Voltage" to zero, and the test know to position "H" for high. Flip the Vr-Mils switch to mils, and slowly increase the voltage until you see the milliamps go up. Check the forward voltage, this is when Vf begins. Then go on until you have 60mA and read the Vf now. Then do the other plate (switch setting is at the roll chart). You will see this is very easy to do, and you learn a lot about the tubes. 3) Forward voltage of Power Zener diodes. Same procedure as with tubes. Only you have to prepare an adapter this. Remove the base from an old octal tube, and connect two wires to plate and cathode. Take the connections for the VR105 tube. Make sure you don't reverse the Zener, and don't boost 100mA into a short circuited Zener, that is probably not so good for the tester. You will be surprised how bad solid state zeners actually are, they have high temperature drift, and bad load regulation compared to tubes like VR150 or VR105. 4) Continuity tester. This one is from the manual actually, but it's nice one. You can use the 750 as a continuity tester, when you set the "shorts" switch for position 4. Then put two probes in the "grid" and "plate" connections. Because the tester has an isolated chassis, this is of no danger. Then the neon lamp will burn, below 200K resistance. Nice for checking switches, connectors, etc.
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HICKOCK. V2. Military (laboratory model) It can test all tubes under real conditions. Inspired on the German Neuberger testers. Not so popular, because they are not so easy to operate. |
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HICKOCK. MX-1258/U Tube Socket Adapter This Adapter Kit was manufactured for the Navy Department-Bureau of Ships by the Vector Electronic Co. of Los Angeles, California. It consists of nine types of adapters, mounted within an aluminum transit case approximately 6" x 9" x 2 1/2" complete with handle. The adapters are secured within the case by means of mounting clips. An addition clip for securing the instruction book is provided in the case lid. Pin straighteners for the 7 and 9 pin miniature bases are permanently mounted in the center of the transit case. The tube socket adapter kit is intended for use in general electronics testing on equipment employing electron tubes. The nine adapters contained in the kit provide the facility for testing circuit conditions with practically all of the commonly used electron tubes. |
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Ebay prices seen: 2005: NOS: 430€ (mine!)
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KALIBR. Model L3-3 from 1986 The L3-3 is the latest model, and it has silicon rectifiers in it, but all electronics is with tubes. The L3-2 is similar, but has many tube rectifiers inside. This is one of the most amazing testers I know. When I bought them, the tube tester market was not so over hyped as it is now, and this tester was very unpopular. When you use an old instrument, with power electronics it, you will know you need to repair it sometimes. Something breaks here, something is defective there, and it just belongs to daily use of an old instruments. One L3-3 I have is NOS, means it was never used before, and that means often all capacitors are bad. The other one was used very often, and it was officially calibrated every year until 1999, which was the last calibration sticker on it. The NOS one stabilized perfectly after 100 hours, and the used one worked fine right out of the shipment box. My L3 never needed never any repairs at all! Simply none. Only service, like a defective control lamp or a bad socket contact. All capacitors are still original. The rotational switch for the leakage current has ceramic decks, and are all shiny like new. In case you ever do need to repair it, you need to know this: First, you probably won't be able to read the Russian manual. Second, you don't need it at all. The schematic is very well drawn. They didn't try to to make "clever" schematics, but one that normal people (like me?) can understand, and it's all on one huge sheet of paper (size of 80cm). The the tester can open from all sides by means of perfect mechanical systems. Each wire is numbered, and the number is on each wire with a small sleeve. Third, the electronics function has no patented crazy circuits that nobody understand, like in all Hickoks. Instead you will find straight forward electronics, nicely arranged. It has printed circuits for the oscillator and the regulated power supplies, and free wiring for all "heavy" stuff. So anyone can understand it, when you understand a regulated power supply. Detailed picture. I have two of those, so I can measure large numbers of tubes faster. While checking the readings on the one tester, the other one will warm up the next tube already. Like this I can work really quick. It is a fully programmable tester, by sticking pins in the pin board. All voltages internally stabilized, Max 300V, 100mA for the plate, and 2x 10mA for the other adjustable power supplies. It features an internal 1600 Hz oscillator, and a tube microampere tester with 2nA resolution (0,000000002 Ampere!). For perfect leakage measurements, the heater to cathode voltage can be programmed. Also the internal tube screen that separates double-triodes like some ECC....types, can be tested for leakage. The leakage current can be measured very precise, and also the voltage can be checked at what the leakage will start to begin. Tubes filaments can be heated with fixed voltage AC or fine adjustable DC. Like in real amplifiers! A very special feature of this instrument is this: You can program an Single Ended circuit for the tube under test, choose a the power supply capacitor for the rectifier, selectable a cathode resistors, and the bypass capacitor. This is not the only circuit diagram feature. With an internal 1600 Hz (distortion free) oscillator you can test what the tube does, and make AC measurements. Wow! Can you imagine what a machine this is? It took me 3 weeks to understand most of it. It is constructed with printed circuit boards. Most of the electronics is with tubes, and some solid state components. This is the most versatile, and most precise tester I have seen so far. I was lucky to buy one 1986 model NOS. I am the first user of it. Most calibrations can be done on the front panel, using the front panel meter. It can work on any mains voltage from 100...380Volt, and even 400Hz mains as used on ships and airplanes is possible. There is nothing you can NOT do with it. Disadvantage: You need to make your own test cards, Because it is supplied with a set of useless test cards for Russian tubes that you will never use. You should use those cards however to find out how to do it. So many special measurements can be done. Some tubes like 6L6 or 6SN7 are included, but most of the supplied cards are useless, and most of the audio tubes are missing. However, any card can be made, with any circuit you like. So once you have managed to make a good test card for an ECC81, you can easily construct all similar cards from this. I found some of the original cards are not constructed fully logical. For instance they often program a 6Volt tube with an adjustable 3...15 Volt filament. So you can burn the filament by mistake. I made my own cards, that set the 6Volts filaments for an adjustable 3...7 Volts. In a few words: Amongst the top-ten testers, and not at the last position. |
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Ebay prices seen: 2006: Good: 900€ Company website... they seem to be hiding it... If somebody can find it, let me know, so I can link it here
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METRIX-U61B / or U61 B Somehow, this one does the same as the RPG375, but is deals with the negative points the RPG375 has. The Metrix U61B has no cards but many switches. So it is more universal, and I find it quicker to use. Also the internal voltages are electronically stabilized, so no readjusting of plate voltage when a tube draws more current. Also it has connections at the front plate for digital instruments. Vacuum quality can be measured with tube testers like this very good. For better measurements, this beautiful instrument has a special connection to measure grid current directly, by connecting a nano-ampere meter to the tester. A great feature is the tube protector circuit. When the plate current meter is more than 25% above the maximum of the meter, the plate current will shut down, and you need to reset it. This is done with a very special, programmable current sensitive relay. So at each meter setting, it has another sensitivity. Another protection is when a tube has a short circuit, this will disconnect the whole tester from the mains, and a red indicator pin comes out of the front panel, that you need to press back in, to switch on the tester again. This is a master piece. I use it for the very expensive and delicate tubes, like ECC803S etc., because of the plate current protection circuit. Also well suited for testing large numbers of tubes, Because of the protection circuits. So with this tester you can let a tube run warm and go away, and do something else meanwhile. When the tube starts to draw too much current, while you don't see it, the tester will shut down with a loud "clack". It happens often with KT88. So you'll hear that and can check it. In a few words: Top class tester, when you are not too lazy to maintain it. Mine had two bad capacitors so far, and the person before me replaced some resistors and capacitors as well, I could see. |
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Ebay prices 2005: untested 35€ (mine!) |
Neuberger RPG237 from 1938 Front plate - Leakage-tests-buttons. Lovely build tester, with high quality switches and precise meters. The Neuberger RPG 237 was a standard for it's time. It is an AC Tester, sweeping a tube through the WHOLE RANGE tube curves while testing it. So getting "20mA" as test result, means it sweeped the tube through the complete set of tube curves, at different plate voltages and different grid voltages, and it produced 20mA as an average value. Suppose you measure a tube that must give 20mA at normal settings. The RPG237 then gives a very good impression of the lifetime left in the tube, because if the tube can do the 20mA, but can NOT do the peak current any more, you will get a lower reading than 20mA, which is right!This instrument is a genius. Plate voltage, screen grid and control grid can be separately set. With the differential of two measurements this allows to determine transconductance (mA/V), gain and Rp. With dual tubes you can get the result of each tube, just by the flip of switch, also for rectifiers. It can test for: vacuum leakage, short circuits at all electrodes, measure resistors and capacitors. Apart from tubes, it has some multimeter functions, also for testing capacitors. I tried a few Mundorf precision capacitors, and all I can say, it indicated the values exactly as printed on the capacitors. Wow! It's not in the manual, but since it can measure e capacitance, I guess it should be able to measure grid capacitance as well. Just a matter of connecting everything the right way. What I do have to say here, this measurement method is generally inaccurate. Even the so called "top class" AVO's give nothing but a rough estimation. However.... not with this tester! Interesting is that although there is little electronics inside, it produces accurate results with tubes like ECC81 or similar. I had to connect those externally, because it has no sockets for those. When comparing the results on the L3-3, I can say this RPG237 still works fine. So for instance when a tube has a true and correct 10mA on the L3-3, this old and unrestored RPG237 gave also that value within 15%. Yes, really amazing! Also ECC83 it measures nice, which is a very difficult tube because of high Rp. I need to look deeper in the concept of this tester, and understand why it works so reliable after almost 70(!) years unserviced condition. In a few words: Still perfect fine after 70 years..... AMAZING. A top product, worth more than is asked for it. So a top pick. The disadvantage it has no modern sockets, but you can solve that easily by connecting a Hickok adapter kit MX949 to it, and you're done. |
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Ebay prices seen: 2005: Very good one: 850€
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Their final model, and largest tube tester they ever made. The Neuberger company still exists. This is a parametric tester. Can measure vacuum, and show all parameters at the same time. Dynamic tests are made as difference of two measurements. I have this Neuberger 375 from the widow of the first owner, and it was said he never used it. The tester appeared fully unused indeed. The meters are very good. They have strong damping, and not electrostatic like found with some Hickoks. All voltages + currents can be measured at the same time. Some meters have more functions. Connections are on the front for external instruments, but the build-in instruments appear to be incredible precise, so you don't need any external instruments. This is no quick tester for radio shops or TV Repair men. This is a full featured laboratory instrument. It is card-based, but no need for using cards. When you want you can do all settings by hand, and there are standard banana connectors to all tube pins, and also current links to each tube pin. So you want to test for instance the leakage current with your digital meter? No problem, take out the link, and put the meter in. If you know how to do it, you can also tap the plate voltages and other voltages, use it as a multiple power supply for lab experiments, with all voltages and currents adjustable, and with meters. So you have a 500V 100mA power supply too, and connections are simply on the main plug-in board, top left. (see the picture I used). The plate voltage is tube rectified with Telefunken tubes. These give natural protection against short circuit. So a short circuit will not blow the fuse or the tube under test, but uses the rectifier tubes as the current limiter. I would say, with this tester you can test almost any tube. I have tested the 211 with it, which is a high voltage tube, but the tube curves do go down to 500V, and at those points I tested some new 211, and the data from the curves reproduces very nice at this tester. (See pictures here) Also the 6C33 can be tested when you use an extra socket, same method as with the 211 tube. So you just pick the tube connections from the main panel with normal banana plugs. So there is a (banana plug) connector for "plate", two for "filament" etc etc. As far as I know, there is no other tube tester that can supply the filament current for the 6C33. It features the very nice Neuberger Rotational switch, before you test a tube, you can do leakage or shorts. This switch works the same as the Funke W19 or W20. Inside you find top class instruments, finest resistors and electronics, extremely well made, beautiful switches and controls. It is the absolute winner in terms of perfect construction, no other product comes near. Note the deck has no German on English words, only symbols. So any country, you can use it.
In a few words: This is a top laboratory product, when you have enough muscles to carry it. Disadvantage is the unstabilized voltages, and older type sockets are not available. However it is one of the few (or only?) testers that can do adjustable 500V @ 100mA. It can test all tubes from tiny fragile to big and heavy. The card system makes it fully universal, and SAFE. So you when have a test card, you can not do much wrong. If you want to test a 50Watt tube at 50 Watt, this is your tester. Price of 1500€ is fully justified. |
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Superior Instruments TV10 This is a nice Emission Tester. It looks like an antique piece, but it is better than may other "later" types. Tube testes of this kind have some advantages and some disadvantages. Many Emission Testers were made and are still around. When you buy one of those, you can have one which is nice and pleasant to use, or have one that is inconvenient, and only "so so" with the results you get from it. The advantage is easy of operation, low cost, a great many were made, and not much can be broken inside. When buying an emission tester, and you want one that is useful, pay attention to this:
TV10 has the same schematic, only TV11 has a solid state diode and an output for noise tests. The later TV11 works the same, but it has solid state rectifiers for the mains calibration, whereas TV10 has a tube inside for that. Some later TV10 have Selenium cells build into the meter, making it a pre-version of the TV11. It is recommended to check all resistors, and replace them with new ones when deviation is more than 5%. Conclusion: Superior Instruments made very good products, this tester will do all of the above. Though it's a very old type, it's a good tester still. I was amazed to see it gives CORRECT readings for a good 300B and known to be weak 300B. Honestly... very few testers can do that, no matter how expensive. Most Hickoks don't even have 300B on the roll chart, because they can't test them. Here is some more information about it |
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| After all the experiments with other companies' tube testers, and always having the same struggle against measurement errors, and limitations in plate voltage, plate current and filament current, and whatever more...... I came up with this idea. The beginning is a precision regulated 550 Volts, 180 Watt power supply from Fluke. Then the filament voltage, and grid voltages comes from Agilent precision power supplies. Add the necessary instruments to measure all you need to know, and there you are: A precision tube tester. So now I can measure the grid current any way I want, and everything else a normal engineer wants to know, apart from reading "Good tube" of "Bad tube" on a meter. Transconductance can be measured most accurate, because all I need to do is move up and down the grid voltage 500mV. The difference in plate current can be used to calculate the transconductance. Also plate impedance and gain can be determined this way quickly. Actually this is the tube tester I use for all tubes that need a lot of plate dissipation. Needless to say this the ideal tool to regenerate and burn in tubes also. The test fixture can do Octal, AD1, UX4 and UX5 tubes. The other tubes go on the Russian L3-3 tester, and for a quick "good/bad" test result I use the Funke W19. The Agilent power supplies have a memory so I can store five complete settings. Happiness comes up when using this. | |||||||||
Part 4) Not in my collection
INFORMATION (circuit diagram, inside pictures etc) WANTED:
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SOFIA TESTER WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE. WHO HAS ONE FOR SALE? Digital testers the Sofia, by Audiomatic Italy. Not made any more since 1995 Good but simple hardware, and software under windows 3.1. Can not do high current and high voltage together so well. So it can't measure 520B or 845 tubes at full capacity. Very nice for tubes, maximum size of 320B-XLS Resolution:
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Eico Tube tester Model 666
Eico Tube tester Model 666, Another Add. It cost 109$ complete. I think a good one should be worth that today still. Original packed kits are now more expensive than complete wired ones. |
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Precise Tube tester, Model 111. Why pay 70$ for an EICO KIT when you can have this better one for 69,95$ completely build. Here you can see what a brand name is worth. |
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Mullard Tube tester, Card Matic |
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